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Sagaris · Apr 10, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

When I was selling some of my stuff this morning I saw a Taiwanese Guild win the HoH. I don't really mind them winning it, but do check the name.

It has 4 Nazi symbols in it. Is this tolerated by A.Net? I would like to hear your opinions about this.

*Edit, sorry guys. I mistook it as the Nazi symbol.

Added by Dralspire: ref. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

Dzan · Apr 10, 2006, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Those arent swasticas. Go buy an education.

Ulivious The Reaper · Apr 10, 2006, 07:19 AM // 07:19

its not nazi, it's a version of it first use by Bhuddists you can tell because the nazi sign is thepoints going different ways, power (just coonfirmed), i beleive gaile said somthing about it recently

Murder In China · Apr 10, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

http://www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/swastica2.gif

THIS is a Swastika. The one your refering to is different. The Nazis took the symbol you're concerned about and flipped it to be their Symbol.

Sagaris · Apr 10, 2006, 07:23 AM // 07:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dzan

Those arent swasticas. Go buy an education.

I'm sorry. I live in the Netherlands, we only learn that symbol (in a different form I know now) to be as the symbol for the Nazi's. I'm terribly sorry that my country doesn't educate me about the rest of the world.

And thank you Ulivious, I didn't know this.

Ulivious The Reaper · Apr 10, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

Anytime sagaris, i had to do a page report for my teacher because i told her that the swastika wasn't originally used by the nazis and it was just a replica, she didn't beleive me but i proved her wrong

Yanman.be · Apr 10, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

It's not nazi, it's indeed a Bhuddist symbol.

koneko · Apr 10, 2006, 07:29 AM // 07:29

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manji

Quote:

Manji is a Buddhist and Hindu symbol, usually representative of admirable qualities such as peace or intelligence or strength, depending on clockwise or counter-clockwise direction of the arms. As a result of World War II and Nazism, this hooked cross (hakenkreuz) is usually perceived as the Nazi "hooked cross" swastika, which is usually differentiated from the Manji by a 45 degree rotation and hooked arms facing clockwise.

Also:

Ulivious The Reaper · Apr 10, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

that should get it through his head a bit better thanks for the quick reference's koneko

Sagaris · Apr 10, 2006, 07:35 AM // 07:35

Thanks Koneko! I never knew this! Weeee! That shows I can learn something at 9.30 in the morning!

LordMahal · Apr 10, 2006, 07:41 AM // 07:41

Even if somebody put a Nazi symbol on there, does it really matter? I mean, if you see it will you turn into a Nazi? Will seeing the symbol blind you, or hurt you in some way? You know its people like this that hide from history, that would rather tuck it away somewhere and pretend it didnt happen. And those same people, tend to repeat history. Besides that symbol was used 60 years ago now, who cares. And of course many of you, Im sure, dont even know or understand the purpose behind the Nazi movement anyway.

@sagaris... I live in germany, they dont teach anything about the Nazi era where Im at. That whole part of history just vanished.

Ulivious The Reaper · Apr 10, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

Lord mahal, this is the truth, and lets hope it doesn't come to reckoning in our generation, but anyways, i learned allot at 3 43 am too, like that the taiwanese are actually trying and an actual country to pick lol ( i find it so hilarous)

Gonzo · Apr 10, 2006, 07:53 AM // 07:53

Trying to sell stuff in all chat! Not tolerated whatsoever!

O wait, it's about the name. Well, that issue has been handeled by above posters.

LordMahal · Apr 10, 2006, 07:55 AM // 07:55

Lol... thats the first thing I thought of too Gonzo....

koneko · Apr 10, 2006, 07:58 AM // 07:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordMahal

@sagaris... I live in germany, they dont teach anything about the Nazi era where Im at. That whole part of history just vanished.

I'm reminded of an episode of Family Guy:

Quote:

German Tour Guide: You vill find more on Germany's contributions to ze arts in ze pamphlets ve have provided.
Brian : Yeah, about your pamphlet... uh, I'm not seeing anything about German history between 1939 and 1945. There's just a big gap.
Tour guide: Everyone vas on vacation. On your left is Munich's first city hall, erected in 15...
Brian : Wait, what are you talking about? Germany invaded Poland in 1939 and...
Tour Guide: We were invited. Punch vas served. Check vit Poland.
Brian : You can't just ignore those years. Thomas Mann fled to America because of Nazism's stranglehold on Germany.
Tour guide: Nope, nope. He left to manage a Dairy Queen.
Brian : A Dairy Queen? That's preposterous.
Tour guide: I vill hear no more insinuations about the German people. Nothing bad happened. Sie werden sich hinsetzen. Sie werden ruhig sein. Sie werden nicht beleidigen Deutschland. You will sit down. You will shut up. You will not insult Germany. (Throws his hand up in a Hitler salute.)
Brian : Uh, is that a beer hall?
Tour guide: (Snapping out of it) Oh yes, Munich is renowned for its historic beer halls.

It's somewhat similar to stuff taught in scondary school in Japan. It is acknowledged that a war occured but there is a failure to acknowledge stuff like Nanking ever did. Just "skipped."

lyra_song · Apr 10, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01

Back when GW allowed foreign characters in local chat, i had a coversation discussing this symbol.

I got a 24 hour ban for that (at least thats the only thing i think that i ever did that would remotely cause a banning...)

Whats also kind of interesting is even though the manji is allowed, the reverse was NOT allowed in game, even those the manji can be written both ways.

some extensive stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

LordMahal · Apr 10, 2006, 08:04 AM // 08:04

You are simply killing me Koneko... funny stuff. Its too bad thats pretty much how it is... without the punch of course. Odd thing is, you can still visit camps and the "showers" that were used during the time. I mean, dont people wonder what the hell these places were for?

Murder In China · Apr 10, 2006, 08:07 AM // 08:07

Unless they destroyed them.

Ulivious The Reaper · Apr 10, 2006, 08:08 AM // 08:08

Destroying, thats so finalizing sounding, i like "whipe clean" better

leprekan · Apr 10, 2006, 08:13 AM // 08:13

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika

(from above website)

The swastika (from Sanskrit स्वस्तिक svastika) is an equilateral cross with its arms bent at right angles in either left-facing (卍) or right-facing (卐) direction. The swastika is a holy symbol in Hinduism, Jainism and Buddhism. In the West, it is most widely known and used as a symbol of Nazism. It is traditionally oriented so that a main line is horizontal, though it is occasionally rotated at forty-five degrees. The Hindu version is often decorated with a dot in each quadrant.

They really are begging for trouble (it clearly states it doesnt matter which way it points). With more than 1 million players their legal department should consider the fact that to half their player base that symbol stands for something best left in the past.